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I was kind of afraid Gene Kim, the man behind the DevOps movement and a very in-demand speaker and consultant, would be offended when I asked him about the idea of BizDevOps, aka DevOps 2.0. But to my very great surprise (and honestly, relief), he agreed with the notion completely during a recent conversation.
“My first response is that I think the premise is right on,” he said, of BizDevOps. “It’s difficult to argue that the tech function needs to be even more integrated with where the business activity is happening.”
But he was also quick to add it’s very, very early days when it comes to DevOps adoption. “I kind of resist personally what’s next in my mind because we’ve barely just begun at DevOps. If we look at the actual adoption it’s just 1 or 2 percent if it’s even that high. A part of me wonders why we’d talk about what’s next when we have not finished this yet.”
Then he quoted David J. Anderson (a well-known Agile author and speaker):”It’s time to stop starting and start finishing.”
But, at least in theory, he would like to see business and tech people working a lot more closely together than they do right now. “In my terminology (I can see) whole value streams working together to solve business problems versus “the feature factory” which is the opposite. That’s consistent with where DevOps is going. But it’s not around the corner.”
Then I asked him the other burning question I’ve had since I attended Agile 2016 in July: What does DevOps mean for Agile? “One of the main reasons DevOps is succeeding is the 11 years of prep Agile has done,” he said. “If it were not for Agile DevOps would have been laughed out of the room.” He stressed that while Agile isn’t an absolute prerequisite for DevOps, it helps loads. And he doesn’t see Agile disappearing any time soon either. “Agile is such a vibrant place of innovation I don’t see them as being in competition with each other,” he said. Instead, he pointed to the fact that DevOps speakers are showing up everywhere — QCon, Agile 2016 — as a sign that the lines are blurring. And that, in his mind, is a very good thing.